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Inverted '1921' Stamps

AlbertAlbert
in Stamps and Postal History
How many of us have a CTO set of 195-208, 0127-0140 with the inverted '1921' overprint ? Only asking about the CTO ones. 

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  • TravisTravis
    I am missing two stamps (10c and 30c) from having a complete CTO set of 195-208.  I have a complete CTO set of O127-40.  I have been trying to put together a non-CTO sets but it is proving to be a little difficult.

    Travis
  • mikwizzymikwizzy
    I also have a set of the 195-208 with what look to be CTO 





  • AlbertAlbert
    edited August 2016
    mikwizzy

    Are you saying the whole set has the inverted '1921' ? What about #201 the 20c cent one ? Is that one inverted or upright ? If you can send a scan on that one. Thanks…Albert
  • TravisTravis
    Since 201 is normally found with the date inverted, the stamp with the date NOT inverted is considered the invert.  I am sure Manfred has both regular and officials inverted pictured on this site.  If not, I have them on my site.

    201-invert
  • ManfredManfred
    edited August 2016
    Because no catalog mentions this I would like to add that the overprint on three of the four stamps in portrait format normally reads upwards, while for the 5c official (Scott O130) downward is normal.
  • ManfredManfred
    It isn't very likely that the whole sets exist both mint and CTO. But, who knows ... ? Perhaps together we can find out what inverts do exist in which condition?

    I will go ahead and list what I have below. If anyone has to add something, I would ask him to copy this list and paste it supplemented with his additions.
    I repeat: inverts are stamps that have inverted overprints with respect to the prevalent variety! For most stamps that means the "1921" is upside-down or reading downwards; exceptions are Scott #201 (20c regular) and Scott O130 (5c official).

    So, here is my list of inverts:
    regular mint:
    5c, 15c, 20c,
    regular CTO:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 15c, 25c, 30c, 50c, 75c, $1, $2, $5
    official mint:
    20c, $5
    official CTO:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 10c, 15c, 20c, 25c, 30c, 50c, 75c, $1, $2, $5


  • TravisTravis
    I have added my mint 1c, 2c, and 3c inverts of the regular issue to the list...

    regular mint:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 15c, 20c, 
    regular CTO:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 15c, 25c, 30c, 50c, 75c, $1, $2, $5
    official mint:
    20c, $5
    official CTO:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 10c, 15c, 20c, 25c, 30c, 50c, 75c, $1, $2, $5
  • TravisTravis
    Just received a mint block of four of O134 so updating the list.

    regular mint:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 15c, 20c, 
    regular CTO:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 15c, 25c, 30c, 50c, 75c, $1, $2, $5
    official mint:
    20c, 25c, $5
    official CTO:
    1c, 2c, 3c, 5c, 10c, 15c, 20c, 25c, 30c, 50c, 75c, $1, $2, $5
  • AlanAlan
    I looked, and at this point, I have nothing to add to the list.
  • seredagseredag
    Following is a list of all UNUSED inverted 1921 overprints on #195-208 and #O127-140 whose existence I can confirm. Rater than catalog numbers, I have used the stamps face value for easy identification. The lists are made up of those listed by Manfred and Travis in this blog, added to those in my collection. As well, I have been tracking eBay sales for over a decade, and can confirm with photos the existence of a few more, leaving the following summary of available unused inverted 1921 stamps:

    Regular Issue

    1 cent*, 2 cent, 3 cent, 5 cent*, 15 cent*, 20 cent*, 25 cent*, 75 cent, 1 dollar*, 2 dollar, 5 dollar

    Thus, only the 10 cent and 50 cent are unaccounted for.

    Official Issue

    1 cent*, 3 cent, 10 cent, 15 cent, 20 cent, 25 cent, 75 cent, 2 dollar*, 5 dollar*

    Therefore, the 2 cent, 5 cent, 30 cent, 50 cent, and 1 dollar are unknown at this time

    *Asterisk means I have this in my collection

    Note that the 20 cent regular clearly exists both inverted and upright (which I consider to be the invert). Regarding the official issue, I believe the inverted 1921 is also the more common stamp (which I have), but have not seen an upright 1921, unless that is what either Travis or Manfred are referring to in this blog.
  • ManfredManfred
    Greg,
    I do have the 20c official with upright overprint in mint condition, but this is my only copy. I have 4 with inverted overprint unused and used, so I guess you are right about their relative scarcity.
  • TravisTravis
    I just picked up a mint copy of the 2 dollar invert.

  • mikwizzymikwizzy
    For my benefit - and maybe others! - how do I tell the difference between a CTO and a non-CTO cancel?

    I have the 10c with a Monrovia cancel and the 50c also

  • AlbertAlbert
    On the 1921 issues most CTO dates fall in 1921, 1922. A few dates will be 1923, 1924, 1925. No dates have been reported in 1926, 1927. So any with a 1926 or 1927 date might be postally used.

    On 209-213 most CTO are in 1923. Some will be in 1924, 1925, 1926. No dates are found with 1927. So stamps with 1927 might be postally used.

    On 214-227, F30-35, O141-154 most CTO are in 1923, 1924,1925. 1926 is scarce. No dates are found with 1927. So stamps with 1927 might be postally used.

    This came from a article by Henry Chlanda which was Vol 53, No 6 of The Collectors Club Philatelist Nov 1974, pages 337 to 348. Great article. I added some other details to the story.

    Hope that helps

    Albert
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